Wagner Email Box: A Few Thoughts On End Time Events…And Unity.

To: Todd Wagner

From: XXX

Hi Todd, (speaking to the 12-20-2015 sermon)

In love, I say this Brother, sometimes, but NOT often, you miss the best of what Scripture admonishes us to understand, and simply promote your own thinking, which can become problematic if not corrected. I agreed with almost everything you said Sunday, but you took one thing and spun it off into an area that missed the clear understanding of the word of God.

Apparently, you feel a bit perplexed, like Peter, when it comes to following Paul’s teaching on eschatology and how it relates to the rest of eschatology in the Bible. However, choosing to remain confounded or somewhat in the dark about how God told us it would work out (by inappropriately labeling it in the context of not bothering to be someone who is “on the planning committee”), while essentially saying you just intend to move forward by doing God’s kingdom work and not worry about it, as if it won’t matter (really boils down to the classic “Pan-Triber” attitude and this is a position that the Bible shows is irresponsible).

Todd, it’s not about planning, nearly as much as it is about understanding, and then being able to make wise choices to navigate through the coming storm skillfully for the kingdom of God, as we serve Him faithfully in His business.

Currently, there are things coming that will “blindside” you, because you have not taken the time to study and take to heart the clear path God has laid out for us in His word about what to expect. The quarterback who knows that the blitzing linebacker is coming at him from the backside, at full steam because he was unblocked, can sidestep him and make the play. The quarterback who does not see him coming usually pays a painful and sometimes very costly price for himself and even the team. You are a good quarterback, but that does not mean that you can pay half-hearted attention to a full one quarter of the playbook (1/4 of the Bible speaks to events surrounding the second coming of Christ).

Of course, you will not fall away when the false teaching/timing of the Pre-Trib. Rapture theory becomes evident to all at the signing of the 7-yr. peace covenant, but that event, and the horrors that quickly follow it, will be a big catalyst that causes many to fall away, because of the false and/or very poor teaching that they received from trusted sources like yourself who refused to dig deep in this area, with sincere authenticity, because the accurate truth from the whole of the prophetic Scriptures was not delivered to them.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 says we are supposed to know and not be caught off guard concerning the coming of the day of the Lord. 2 Peter 1:19 tells us that if we truly pay attention to the prophetic word, which is more sure for us than the transfiguration event that Peter witnessed, it will be like a bright light shining into the darkness for us to plan our steps wisely by.

Therefore, to take the “non-planning committee” stance means you are basically saying that you are willfully heading into a dark and dangerous place with a flawed concept of what will take place. Todd, this is equivalent to attempting to explore a huge underground cavern with a map that is only drawn up partially right and you are going to do it with a poorly working flashlight that is old and has a lose connection. This is a bit like the Gieco, chainsaw commercial. And I have to say here, what are you thinking?!?

God did not give His more sure, prophetic word to the body of Christ to intimidate, confuse, confound, scare, or frustrate us. He gave it to us to bless us, as we’ve been told He did in 2 Peter 1:19 and Revelation 1:3; 22:7.

Further, unity at the price of truth is neither love, nor a holy, biblical harmony/unity. “For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part, I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, in order that those who are approved may have become evident among you” (1 Corinthians 11:18-19). “(Love) does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;” (1 Corinthians 13:6). God’s love never sacrifices the truth, because truth is one of the standards for measuring authentic love. Most in the Church today do not like God’s tough love approach that comes out of the mouths of His prophets, so they stay away from biblical prophecy, avoid the whole counsel of God’s word and run to certain passages that seem to confirm what they want to hear, and/or what others may wish to hear from the pulpit.

Todd that is NOT you in most areas. Don’t let that be you, in this area.

In Christ’s amazing grace,



From: Todd Wagner

Thanks xxx…maybe you misunderstood me. I have taken a position…and pointed people to it inside my message on 12/20/15. In case you missed it I mentioned my teaching on the end times can be found within the series I did on the gospel of Mark. It is called “The last things you need to know” and covers Jesus’ teaching on the Olivet Discourse and more. There are almost 10 weeks on Mark 13 and many other Scriptures that further provide revelation for us on end time events. Dive in and be encouraged (or frustrated if you take a different position…but understand this, because of the difficulty around the topic there is another position I choose to take. It is one of humility…meaning I am not on this one 100% certain that the view I espoused ( and still hold to..which you apparently do not) is one that I still hold to and yet not one that I am 100% certain is the exact way the Lord is going to unfold it all in the end. None of us can be 100% certain about all the details (for the reasons Peter mentioned) but we can be absolutely certain about plenty and that is why I said what I said 12/20…so people would NOT fall away if their exact view isn’t exactly how the Lord plays it all out.

Keep studying, watching, praying and preaching. He is coming and His reward is with Him. Here’s praying He will find us and all we pour our lives into fully faithful and ready…till then remain humble in your conclusions about specific details about “these things.” Given that you take God’s word seriously, I am sure I am unified with you (2 Thess 2) that a great apostasy will come, the restrainer will be removed and the “man of lawlessness” will be revealed before the great Day of the Lord which will ultimately include the Lord’s return and rule.

May you and I be faithful till then and through all things He chooses to allow us to personally experience and live through.

Part of that is deep commitment to a body of believers where you can use your gifts, practice the “one anothers” of Scripture, find the care and support of leadership and others, and gather regularly to be admonished, encouraged and helped. Please let us know how we can help you with that here at Watermark.

2 Tim 2:15 indeed,

Todd Wagner | Pastor
Watermark Community Church
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